Sunday, January 21, 2007

London Calling: The Whole World Is Upside Down

"In the past conservatives made excuses for fascism because they mistakenly saw it as a continuation of their democratic rightwing ideas. Now, overwhelmingly and everywhere, liberals and leftists are far more likely than conservatives to excuse fascistic governments and movements, with the exception of their native far-right parties. As long as local racists are white, they have no difficulty in opposing them in a manner that would have been recognisable to the traditional left. But give them a foreign far-right movement that is anti-Western and they treat it as at best a distraction and at worst an ally."

That's from Nick Cohen's What's Left?: How Liberals Lost Their Way, which is excerpted at length in the Observer today. I expect to be reviewing What's Left? in my Dissent column soon.

Over at the Sunday Times, Christopher Hitchens observes: "Cohen has no problem with those who are upset about state-sponsored exaggerations of the causes of war, or furious about the bungled occupation of Iraq that has ensued. People who think this is the problem are not his problem. Here’s his problem: the people who would die before they would applaud the squaddies and grunts who removed hideous regimes from Afghanistan and Iraq, yet who happily describe Islamist video-butchers and suicide-murderers as a “resistance”.

The book has set off the usual berserking, in spades.

Cohen is a writer I've long admired. His web page is here.

11 Comments:

Blogger Robert McClelland said...

Yawn. Yet more of the "left supports evil" tripe sans evidence.

3:18 PM  
Blogger Stephen K said...

I'm pretty sure that most people on the left would agree with me that fascism must be opposed, regardless of its source.

Sometimes I agree with you Terry, about your criticisms of some on the left, but I think you are mistaken that it is as prevalent on the left as you seem to suggest.

8:52 PM  
Blogger Stuart Morris said...

In the past conservatives made excuses for fascism because ...

Saudi Arabia
Pakistan
Egypt
Kuwait
Jordan
Nigeria
Equatorial Guinea
The Gulf States

What, exactly, are US conservatives saying about these dictatorships?

Liberals and leftists more likely than conservatives to excuse fascism? Really?

News to me.

9:02 PM  
Blogger Robert McClelland said...

So Rob, how do you feel about Castro?

He'll be dead soon.

9:21 PM  
Blogger Robert McClelland said...

Cohen may be trying to pre-empt what will surely be growing awareness of those other liberals who refused to condemn the war.

You're probably right. I'd imagine those other liberals aren't too comfortable now that the war is going to hell; at odds with their liberal companions and not finding their current company to their liking. Too bad they don't simply realize the best way to get out of the hole they're in is to stop digging.

9:27 PM  
Blogger Stuart Morris said...

(and are Jordan and Nigeria dictatorships?)

The Economist Democracy Index lists Jordan ranked 113 out of 167, tied with Pakistan at the top of their "Authoritarian Regimes" section. Nigeria is 124, being somewhat worse.

Cohen isn't absolving conservatives of anything...

He's saying that leftists are more likely to excuse fascism than conservatives, which is unsubstantiated nonsense. Conservatives support a US administration which, for example, recently gave Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo of Equatorial Guinea a tour of the White House and a delightful photo op with the US Secretary of State because his oil resereves allows his hideous human rights record to be excused.

C'mon now. More likely to excuse fascism? Hardly.

9:50 PM  
Blogger Robert McClelland said...

Nav: That first comment suggesting there's no evidence for moral squalor on the left is from Robert "Fuck The Jews" McClelland, yes?

Well here's all you need to know about Glavin. He's a guy who judges people on the basis of the title of one blogpost. Which is pretty much makes the case that there's no evidence to support Cohen's gibberish either.

11:35 PM  
Blogger Stuart Morris said...

Meantime, I look forward to Cohen's book, and I also look forward to your petition calling for an invasion to liberate the people of Equatorial Guinea. . .

What, you haven't signed it yet?

If only we could prove our measure of ideological purity through the petitions that we'd signed, or through the nations that we've wanted to invade. These debates would be then so much more simple.

Of course, Cohen's opposition to the Afghanistan invasion might prove problematic in that case.

7:30 AM  
Blogger Stuart Morris said...

Nigeria and Jordan are authoritarian regimes, but they're not dictatorships. They're actually emerging democracies.

Abdullah has very few restrictions on his total control of the government, the judiciary, the military, and the security forces. They use torture, they have political prisoners. I'd call that a dictatorship even if things have improved somewhat in the last few years, and the Economist rates at the same level as Pakistan and Egypt.

I think you know damn well you're going way out on a limb by calling Cohen's claim "unsubstantiated nonsense".

Actually, I think that the burden of proof lies the other way, but this is old ground. Yes, some knee-jerk leftists are going to excuse some nasty people purely on the basis of their opposition to the US, but what of it? If the point is to identify them and publicly attack them, then Cohen should do so on the basis of those specific beliefs or statements by individuals. But these attacks are too often taking the form of mournful head-shaking about the general sad state of "the left" these days. That does little good.

8:07 AM  
Blogger Stuart Morris said...

Terry: You're also forgetting that it doesn't matter how specific you get in outing the excuse-makers and fellow travelers of fascism in key leadership positions on the "left."

Cohen: Now, overwhelmingly and everywhere, liberals and leftists are far more likely than conservatives to excuse fascistic governments and movements...

The emphasized part is what I'm objecting to, Terry.

I was tongue in cheek about the Equatorial Guinea petition.

I knew I should have added a smiley to my response.

As for Cohen being consistent with what he wrote about this more than five years ago ...

I'd just like to take this opportunity to say that I've never been wrong about anything, ever. :-)

It irks me somewhat, though, that Cohen objected to Afghanistan yet supported Iraq. That is a position just so colossally wrong that I'm amazed he shows his face in public, let alone writes a book condemning other's positions.

And I'm a bit surprised that you'd write, "but what of it?"

Because I don't think it's as prevalent as Cohen says, and nut-bars are always with us, as they are with any ideology. I'm unsure of to which market Cohen is targeting his writing, but I'd think that the ones most eager to buy and read it are probably those who like to imagine the majority of the left to be moonbats. In other words, conservatives. I notice that the right-wing blogs are already signing its praises.

11:32 AM  
Blogger SnoopyTheGoon said...

"what simplistic stupid rubbish."

Interesting. How does one describe in this way what seems to be (to my, admittedly simplistic, eye) a factual description of something that really happened?

P.S. Terry, that link to CiF was a low blow. I have already took my weekly dose of that poison ;-)

11:31 AM  

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